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		<title>By: JusticeReform</title>
		<link>http://www.cbebs.org/2008/01/26/suffer-the-children/#comment-712</link>
		<dc:creator>JusticeReform</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, I understand your questions and suspicions.   There are, unfortunately, many "murderers" who are not guilty.  I recently attended a press conference with 20 men who have been exonerated from death row.  A former prosecutor was there to speak out against the death penalty, precisely because he has come to realize that the justice system will never, ever get it 100% right all the time.

The justice system got it really wrong in the case of Hannah Overton. 

As to Hannah and Andrew, Andrew's blood became extremely thin due to the high levels of sodium.  When he was first admitted, he had only bruises on his knees, typical of an active 4 year old boy.

As time went by with his blood ultra thin, every medical intervention left a mark, virtually every touch.  

The Overtons did not make him sleep on bare plywood.  Andrew had soiled his mattress by pooping and smearing it around.  (This is not an uncommon behavior for emotionally disturbed children.)  The foam mattress was still wet outside in the yard.  Larry Overton tried to put Andrew to bed in his older brother's bed, then in with a younger brother, but Andrew insisted on being in his bed.  So he put him on there with a sleeping bag.  That didn't last long, as Andrew kept throwing the sleeping bag off.  Finally they put him on the floor in their room in the sleeping bag.  If that's child abuse, then all the people who take their kids camping or have sleepovers with kids on the floor are guilty. 

As to why they waited to seek medical help:  Andrew had been very active until he suddenly threw up.   He started to help Hannah clean up the vomit, then said he was cold.  He walked to the bedroom where she bundled him up in blankets.   Most parents in that situation would not think their child was in mortal danger.  Hannah asked Larry to come home, and when he did he checked on Andrew who was in the bed saying "cold." They thought he was coming down with a stomach flu.  As he became more ill, they tried different home remedies -- a warm shower with Larry and a nebulizer because his breathing sounded congested.  Once they realized he was in serious trouble, they were in the car and on the way to the emergency clinic within 5 minutes.  

You are correct in that the Overtons could have sent Andrew back and disrupted the adoption at anytime.  They believed they were giving him a "forever family" and he was most often very happy there.   They certainly didn't do it for the money -- they would have received no money after the adoption was final.

In a perfect "Walgreens" world, all the people who adopt kids from the foster system would be wealthy, childless couples.  But that's not the world we live in.   The Overtons are not atypical adoptive parents.  They love children, and thought they were doing a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I understand your questions and suspicions.   There are, unfortunately, many &#8220;murderers&#8221; who are not guilty.  I recently attended a press conference with 20 men who have been exonerated from death row.  A former prosecutor was there to speak out against the death penalty, precisely because he has come to realize that the justice system will never, ever get it 100% right all the time.</p>
<p>The justice system got it really wrong in the case of Hannah Overton. </p>
<p>As to Hannah and Andrew, Andrew&#8217;s blood became extremely thin due to the high levels of sodium.  When he was first admitted, he had only bruises on his knees, typical of an active 4 year old boy.</p>
<p>As time went by with his blood ultra thin, every medical intervention left a mark, virtually every touch.  </p>
<p>The Overtons did not make him sleep on bare plywood.  Andrew had soiled his mattress by pooping and smearing it around.  (This is not an uncommon behavior for emotionally disturbed children.)  The foam mattress was still wet outside in the yard.  Larry Overton tried to put Andrew to bed in his older brother&#8217;s bed, then in with a younger brother, but Andrew insisted on being in his bed.  So he put him on there with a sleeping bag.  That didn&#8217;t last long, as Andrew kept throwing the sleeping bag off.  Finally they put him on the floor in their room in the sleeping bag.  If that&#8217;s child abuse, then all the people who take their kids camping or have sleepovers with kids on the floor are guilty. </p>
<p>As to why they waited to seek medical help:  Andrew had been very active until he suddenly threw up.   He started to help Hannah clean up the vomit, then said he was cold.  He walked to the bedroom where she bundled him up in blankets.   Most parents in that situation would not think their child was in mortal danger.  Hannah asked Larry to come home, and when he did he checked on Andrew who was in the bed saying &#8220;cold.&#8221; They thought he was coming down with a stomach flu.  As he became more ill, they tried different home remedies &#8212; a warm shower with Larry and a nebulizer because his breathing sounded congested.  Once they realized he was in serious trouble, they were in the car and on the way to the emergency clinic within 5 minutes.  </p>
<p>You are correct in that the Overtons could have sent Andrew back and disrupted the adoption at anytime.  They believed they were giving him a &#8220;forever family&#8221; and he was most often very happy there.   They certainly didn&#8217;t do it for the money &#8212; they would have received no money after the adoption was final.</p>
<p>In a perfect &#8220;Walgreens&#8221; world, all the people who adopt kids from the foster system would be wealthy, childless couples.  But that&#8217;s not the world we live in.   The Overtons are not atypical adoptive parents.  They love children, and thought they were doing a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://www.cbebs.org/2008/01/26/suffer-the-children/#comment-703</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.cbebs.org/2008/01/26/suffer-the-children/#comment-703</guid>
		<description>What would Jesus do.  Texas Family Services has to change its dogmatic attitude and offer real help, rather than farming out to the private home sector of this Socialist Movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would Jesus do.  Texas Family Services has to change its dogmatic attitude and offer real help, rather than farming out to the private home sector of this Socialist Movement.</p>
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		<title>By: Catholic mother</title>
		<link>http://www.cbebs.org/2008/01/26/suffer-the-children/#comment-702</link>
		<dc:creator>Catholic mother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 01:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.cbebs.org/2008/01/26/suffer-the-children/#comment-702</guid>
		<description>Lisa Welchel actually did not spit three children out of her v*g*na...she had c/sections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa Welchel actually did not spit three children out of her v*g*na&#8230;she had c/sections.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.cbebs.org/2008/01/26/suffer-the-children/#comment-701</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.cbebs.org/2008/01/26/suffer-the-children/#comment-701</guid>
		<description>I believe that Hannah Overton is guilty. If you look at ALL the facts of the case together, you get a strong picture of neglect and abuse. The poor little child. Of course, she is going to say that he had a strange food disorder, but why did she give him water with seasoning powder? That sounds absolutely awful. Why did she make him sleep on a plywood board? Why did he have bruises on his body? Why did she wait to take him to the hospital? If they had so much trouble with him, why didn't they give him back to foster care? They had so many kids already, why did they seek one more, especially a special needs child?  Look at the whole case together and you can tell, something wasn't right and it wasn't the kid. 

I understand she doesn't want to be locked up for life, but murder is murder. How many killers in prison say they are innocent?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that Hannah Overton is guilty. If you look at ALL the facts of the case together, you get a strong picture of neglect and abuse. The poor little child. Of course, she is going to say that he had a strange food disorder, but why did she give him water with seasoning powder? That sounds absolutely awful. Why did she make him sleep on a plywood board? Why did he have bruises on his body? Why did she wait to take him to the hospital? If they had so much trouble with him, why didn&#8217;t they give him back to foster care? They had so many kids already, why did they seek one more, especially a special needs child?  Look at the whole case together and you can tell, something wasn&#8217;t right and it wasn&#8217;t the kid. </p>
<p>I understand she doesn&#8217;t want to be locked up for life, but murder is murder. How many killers in prison say they are innocent?</p>
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		<title>By: Harold</title>
		<link>http://www.cbebs.org/2008/01/26/suffer-the-children/#comment-691</link>
		<dc:creator>Harold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 07:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.cbebs.org/2008/01/26/suffer-the-children/#comment-691</guid>
		<description>There is so much mis-information to deal with here.    
Watch the video "A Mothers worse Nightmare" http://www.abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=6107992 or read the article "Exclusive: Mom Accused of Murder Speaks Out" http://www.abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?id=6098673&#38;page=2

They were in the process of adopting Andrew.  Therefore what little money they would have gotten would have stopped.  If greed was the reason for taking Andrew, then they would not have proceeded with adoption proceedures.

There is no evidence Andrew was force-fed anything.  When you force feed someone, there are abrassions on the mouth &#38;/or lips.  This was not the case with Andrew.  And Hannah was 5 months pregnant with a back injury.  She would not have been able to wrestle him &#38; force him to drink anything.

Andrew clearly had an eating disorder.  He ate strange foods &#38; non-foods.  This in not uncommon in foster kids.  Many foster &#38; adoptive parents had posted comments on the ABC 20/20 site told there own stories.  More than one said they had to hide the salt shakers because  of how bad it got.

The adoption case worker cofirmed the fact that Hannah expressed concern about Andrew's eating disorder.  Because the adoption was not finalized, mental screening for PICA woudl have to had gone through the adoption agency.  The case worker said she was going to get to that.

The mattress was soiled, washed &#38; left in the back yard to dry.  He spent ONE NIGHT sleeping on a sleeping bag.  If sleeping ONE NIGHT in a sleeping bag is abuse, then so is camping!

And it was NOT 3 hours wait.  That was one of the inaccuracies spread my the local paper, more interested in sensationalism that facts.

Andrew threw up &#38; said he was cold.  It looked like the flu or a stomach bug.  No reason to call 911.  When Andrew was acting like he was loosing consciousness,  they picked him up &#38; drove him to the clinic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is so much mis-information to deal with here.<br />
Watch the video &#8220;A Mothers worse Nightmare&#8221; <a href="http://www.abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=6107992" rel="nofollow">http://www.abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=6107992</a> or read the article &#8220;Exclusive: Mom Accused of Murder Speaks Out&#8221; <a href="http://www.abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?id=6098673&amp;page=2" rel="nofollow">http://www.abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?id=6098673&amp;page=2</a></p>
<p>They were in the process of adopting Andrew.  Therefore what little money they would have gotten would have stopped.  If greed was the reason for taking Andrew, then they would not have proceeded with adoption proceedures.</p>
<p>There is no evidence Andrew was force-fed anything.  When you force feed someone, there are abrassions on the mouth &amp;/or lips.  This was not the case with Andrew.  And Hannah was 5 months pregnant with a back injury.  She would not have been able to wrestle him &amp; force him to drink anything.</p>
<p>Andrew clearly had an eating disorder.  He ate strange foods &amp; non-foods.  This in not uncommon in foster kids.  Many foster &amp; adoptive parents had posted comments on the ABC 20/20 site told there own stories.  More than one said they had to hide the salt shakers because  of how bad it got.</p>
<p>The adoption case worker cofirmed the fact that Hannah expressed concern about Andrew&#8217;s eating disorder.  Because the adoption was not finalized, mental screening for PICA woudl have to had gone through the adoption agency.  The case worker said she was going to get to that.</p>
<p>The mattress was soiled, washed &amp; left in the back yard to dry.  He spent ONE NIGHT sleeping on a sleeping bag.  If sleeping ONE NIGHT in a sleeping bag is abuse, then so is camping!</p>
<p>And it was NOT 3 hours wait.  That was one of the inaccuracies spread my the local paper, more interested in sensationalism that facts.</p>
<p>Andrew threw up &amp; said he was cold.  It looked like the flu or a stomach bug.  No reason to call 911.  When Andrew was acting like he was loosing consciousness,  they picked him up &amp; drove him to the clinic.</p>
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		<title>By: michelle parella</title>
		<link>http://www.cbebs.org/2008/01/26/suffer-the-children/#comment-690</link>
		<dc:creator>michelle parella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe Hannah Overton is guilty of child abuse. She had 4 children and was expecting another. They did not have much money. They took in Andrew with the intention of adopting him. They had trouble with him from the beginning. They were receiving money every month for having a foster child. They are quilty of greed. They gave as much thought  to Andrew as if he were a stray cat or dog ! They used extreme measures to discipline him and make him conform to their family's habits. He ate too much so they probably withheld food and instead gave him large amounts of water soaked with Zatarins. Maybe if he were hungary enough he would willingly have consumed it.If they couldn't handle andrew, the proper and moral thing to do was to admit it and return him to childrens services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Hannah Overton is guilty of child abuse. She had 4 children and was expecting another. They did not have much money. They took in Andrew with the intention of adopting him. They had trouble with him from the beginning. They were receiving money every month for having a foster child. They are quilty of greed. They gave as much thought  to Andrew as if he were a stray cat or dog ! They used extreme measures to discipline him and make him conform to their family&#8217;s habits. He ate too much so they probably withheld food and instead gave him large amounts of water soaked with Zatarins. Maybe if he were hungary enough he would willingly have consumed it.If they couldn&#8217;t handle andrew, the proper and moral thing to do was to admit it and return him to childrens services.</p>
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		<title>By: gail</title>
		<link>http://www.cbebs.org/2008/01/26/suffer-the-children/#comment-689</link>
		<dc:creator>gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 21:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe without any questions Hannah Overton is as guilty as sin . Unfortunalty, CPS uses bad judgment and would trust a foster child with a pyscho woman, just like andrea yates.   Hannah Overton needs to pay for what she has done to an innocnet helpless child that got lost in the system.  if she cared she wouldve got mental help for the child , instead she ingored and just contiued to abuse him , hopefuly they will give her no mercy behind bars! Hope she rots in hell!!! they should never allow her to be around another child as long as she lives !!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe without any questions Hannah Overton is as guilty as sin . Unfortunalty, CPS uses bad judgment and would trust a foster child with a pyscho woman, just like andrea yates.   Hannah Overton needs to pay for what she has done to an innocnet helpless child that got lost in the system.  if she cared she wouldve got mental help for the child , instead she ingored and just contiued to abuse him , hopefuly they will give her no mercy behind bars! Hope she rots in hell!!! they should never allow her to be around another child as long as she lives !!!!</p>
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		<title>By: bystander</title>
		<link>http://www.cbebs.org/2008/01/26/suffer-the-children/#comment-688</link>
		<dc:creator>bystander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 06:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will predict he conviction will be tossed, and eventually, she'll be cleared of all charges. This is another one of those cases where the DA and police went way over the top with a charge of capital murder. At best you could claim negligence, and that's a reach. These cases almost always seem to end up with the truth being totally different than the prosecutors made it out to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will predict he conviction will be tossed, and eventually, she&#8217;ll be cleared of all charges. This is another one of those cases where the DA and police went way over the top with a charge of capital murder. At best you could claim negligence, and that&#8217;s a reach. These cases almost always seem to end up with the truth being totally different than the prosecutors made it out to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
		<link>http://www.cbebs.org/2008/01/26/suffer-the-children/#comment-687</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 02:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Her story doesn't add up.  If she gave him one teaspoon of seasoning, he would still be alive.  He had 23 teaspoons of hot seasoning in him when he died.  Why didn't she drive him to the hospital when he was sick?  It took them 3 hours to take him to the hospital and he was pretty much dead at that point.  Parents have a duty to provide medical care to their children.  It looked to me from seeing pictures of the home that they treated this foster child like an animal.  He was sleeping on a wood board with no bedding with a surveilance camera aimed at him.  Did they collect a check for the "care" she was giving Andrew?  She homeschooled all of those kids and she needed someone to pick on.  She didn't treat Andrew like she treated her biological kids.  If she had trouble taking care of him, she could have given him back to his former foster mother, who seemed like a nice old lady.  We may never know the extent of the abuse Andrew faced at the hands of Hannah.  All we know is she either killed him or she just waited around 3 hours and let him die.  She belongs in jail and foster children should be monitored to prevent this kind of fatal abuse at the hands of foster parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Her story doesn&#8217;t add up.  If she gave him one teaspoon of seasoning, he would still be alive.  He had 23 teaspoons of hot seasoning in him when he died.  Why didn&#8217;t she drive him to the hospital when he was sick?  It took them 3 hours to take him to the hospital and he was pretty much dead at that point.  Parents have a duty to provide medical care to their children.  It looked to me from seeing pictures of the home that they treated this foster child like an animal.  He was sleeping on a wood board with no bedding with a surveilance camera aimed at him.  Did they collect a check for the &#8220;care&#8221; she was giving Andrew?  She homeschooled all of those kids and she needed someone to pick on.  She didn&#8217;t treat Andrew like she treated her biological kids.  If she had trouble taking care of him, she could have given him back to his former foster mother, who seemed like a nice old lady.  We may never know the extent of the abuse Andrew faced at the hands of Hannah.  All we know is she either killed him or she just waited around 3 hours and let him die.  She belongs in jail and foster children should be monitored to prevent this kind of fatal abuse at the hands of foster parents.</p>
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		<title>By: JusticeReform</title>
		<link>http://www.cbebs.org/2008/01/26/suffer-the-children/#comment-677</link>
		<dc:creator>JusticeReform</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cactus Wren, I have just learned from a knowledgeable, inside source that the doctors had to call the maker of Zatarain's to find out its ingredients.  Had Hannah not been entirely forthcoming about what had transpired before she brought Andrew to the hospital, they would not have even known to ask those questions and begin to figure out that sodium was the problem.  Also, Zatarains has since changed their formula -- it now contains less salt.

By the way, Troy Davis got a stay of execution, hours before he was to be killed.    I don't know whether he's guilty.  But I do know there are serious doubts as to his guilty.  We must abolish the death penalty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cactus Wren, I have just learned from a knowledgeable, inside source that the doctors had to call the maker of Zatarain&#8217;s to find out its ingredients.  Had Hannah not been entirely forthcoming about what had transpired before she brought Andrew to the hospital, they would not have even known to ask those questions and begin to figure out that sodium was the problem.  Also, Zatarains has since changed their formula &#8212; it now contains less salt.</p>
<p>By the way, Troy Davis got a stay of execution, hours before he was to be killed.    I don&#8217;t know whether he&#8217;s guilty.  But I do know there are serious doubts as to his guilty.  We must abolish the death penalty.</p>
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